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	<title>Comments on: Google&#8217;s Matt Cutts want to know more about sex.</title>
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		<title>By: Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films &#187; Google Fails When The Sex Industry Fails</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2006/12/31/googles-matt-cutts-want-to-know-more-about-sex/#comment-14930</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films &#187; Google Fails When The Sex Industry Fails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s clear by reading this post that Google absolutely does not have the tools &#8212; or current knowledge &#8212; to evaluate sex on the web. And possibly a lot of other things as well. This is how they do it? Really? They need a community liaison for each of the types of spam they&#8217;re expected to deal with, because it&#8217;s crystal clear they are in the dark. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s clear by reading this post that Google absolutely does not have the tools &#8212; or current knowledge &#8212; to evaluate sex on the web. And possibly a lot of other things as well. This is how they do it? Really? They need a community liaison for each of the types of spam they&#8217;re expected to deal with, because it&#8217;s crystal clear they are in the dark. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Black - Adult DVD Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Black - Adult DVD Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would also be great if "quality" adult sites could participate in innovative programs like Google's Co-op Subscribed links (http://www.google.com/coop/docs/guide_subscribed_links.html)  which would enable Google to directly score a sites relative "trust".  Unfortunately adult sites are not allowed to participate per the Terms of Service.    I wouldn't expect or encourage adult sites to ever be listed in the Subscribed Links Directory (http://www.google.com/coop/subscribedlinks/directory/Latest ) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would also be great if &#8220;quality&#8221; adult sites could participate in innovative programs like Google&#8217;s Co-op Subscribed links (http://www.google.com/coop/docs/guide_subscribed_links.html)  which would enable Google to directly score a sites relative &#8220;trust&#8221;.  Unfortunately adult sites are not allowed to participate per the Terms of Service.    I wouldn&#8217;t expect or encourage adult sites to ever be listed in the Subscribed Links Directory (http://www.google.com/coop/subscribedlinks/directory/Latest ) .</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Drew Black; there has to be some kind of *behavior* which would differentiate a spam site from a legit one. Spammers (who tend to set up sites in bulk) probably wouldn't register their site with Webmaster Tools, or Google Analytics, or stuff like that. So anything in there you could probably Whitelist as "Not Spam"; or at least give it higher credibility than sites that haven't done this.

Also, you can leverage authority to some degree. If we can objectively say that Fleshbot, Tiny Nibbles, and other sites are okay - then we can reasonably suppose that any sites they link to won't be spam (and probably, any sites that linked to from those sites).

Human beings are very good at discerning spam from not spam: I'd wager that if you mapped it, you'd find a lot of legit sites linking to other legit sites, and a lot of spam sites linking to spam sites, and not too much reciprocal linking between those two groups. (I imagine the spam sites would try to link to the real ones, but the real ones wouldn't link back).

Google should have other data as well it can use; the number of subscriptions in Google Reader, the nascent bookmarking service, etc. I'd think that this kind of data is the next logical step in search anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Drew Black; there has to be some kind of *behavior* which would differentiate a spam site from a legit one. Spammers (who tend to set up sites in bulk) probably wouldn&#8217;t register their site with Webmaster Tools, or Google Analytics, or stuff like that. So anything in there you could probably Whitelist as &#8220;Not Spam&#8221;; or at least give it higher credibility than sites that haven&#8217;t done this.</p>
<p>Also, you can leverage authority to some degree. If we can objectively say that Fleshbot, Tiny Nibbles, and other sites are okay - then we can reasonably suppose that any sites they link to won&#8217;t be spam (and probably, any sites that linked to from those sites).</p>
<p>Human beings are very good at discerning spam from not spam: I&#8217;d wager that if you mapped it, you&#8217;d find a lot of legit sites linking to other legit sites, and a lot of spam sites linking to spam sites, and not too much reciprocal linking between those two groups. (I imagine the spam sites would try to link to the real ones, but the real ones wouldn&#8217;t link back).</p>
<p>Google should have other data as well it can use; the number of subscriptions in Google Reader, the nascent bookmarking service, etc. I&#8217;d think that this kind of data is the next logical step in search anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films &#187; Writing for Robots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films &#187; Writing for Robots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In an e-mail to Matt Cutts, I wrote: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you posted this. I'll answer, not with my preferences mind you, but in the spirit of "a short list of sites I'd consider important that are sex-related, and that I'd worry if you couldn't find with Google."

Susie Bright's site.
Jane's Guide.
McStories.
For sheer entertainment value, I'd go with Ali Davis' True Porn Clerk Stories.

On the commerce side, if we didn't return Good Vibes or Adam &#38; Eve or Xandria when people requested them, I'd be a little worried.

But as I mentioned, I haven't kept up with the porn area since I worked on SafeSearch. I'm curious to read the must-see list from more experts. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you posted this. I&#8217;ll answer, not with my preferences mind you, but in the spirit of &#8220;a short list of sites I&#8217;d consider important that are sex-related, and that I&#8217;d worry if you couldn&#8217;t find with Google.&#8221;</p>
<p>Susie Bright&#8217;s site.<br />
Jane&#8217;s Guide.<br />
McStories.<br />
For sheer entertainment value, I&#8217;d go with Ali Davis&#8217; True Porn Clerk Stories.</p>
<p>On the commerce side, if we didn&#8217;t return Good Vibes or Adam &amp; Eve or Xandria when people requested them, I&#8217;d be a little worried.</p>
<p>But as I mentioned, I haven&#8217;t kept up with the porn area since I worked on SafeSearch. I&#8217;m curious to read the must-see list from more experts. <img src='http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: IRCA

I went to their site and started catagorizing Comstock Films, but as I recall two questions brought me up short. One was about "artistic merit" and the other was about "educational value".

Our films have been called both, repeatedly and from a variety of sources. But I was afraid if I said our site was both artistic and education that I would ultimately be labeled fraudulalent by IRCA and incur some penalty.

What I ended up doing was nothing, counting on the fact that our site plainly is what it is, that the generous use of colloquial sex language would be more than enough to tip off any "safe surfing" filter that our site is not for children.

Add into that mix the fact more than a few educators have said that our films would, with proper guidence, be appropriate and useful in teaching youth about the role of emotions in sexual relationships. 

It all gets very confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: IRCA</p>
<p>I went to their site and started catagorizing Comstock Films, but as I recall two questions brought me up short. One was about &#8220;artistic merit&#8221; and the other was about &#8220;educational value&#8221;.</p>
<p>Our films have been called both, repeatedly and from a variety of sources. But I was afraid if I said our site was both artistic and education that I would ultimately be labeled fraudulalent by IRCA and incur some penalty.</p>
<p>What I ended up doing was nothing, counting on the fact that our site plainly is what it is, that the generous use of colloquial sex language would be more than enough to tip off any &#8220;safe surfing&#8221; filter that our site is not for children.</p>
<p>Add into that mix the fact more than a few educators have said that our films would, with proper guidence, be appropriate and useful in teaching youth about the role of emotions in sexual relationships. </p>
<p>It all gets very confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Black - Adult DVD Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Black - Adult DVD Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A suggestion for a new data point in determining a "quality" adult site:

Has the site labeled itself through ICRA or some other industry-standard metadata/server-side content labeling system?  I've been involved in the retail products end of the adult internet since early 1998.  As a general rule the more responsible businesses do everything they can to keep minors away from their sites.  Properly labeling a site so that content filters can do their jobs is the responsible thing to do. 

If Googlebot is indexing a site with a high percentage of phrases like "cum gargling crumbastaphiles", "double anal whores", "A cum sucking whore named...", "Join Now", "Click to buy", etc., and the site isn't content-labeled then that is something that I think could (should?) be taken into consideration for search ranking.

These kinds of suggestions eventually lead into "slippery-slope" discussions of mandatory labels and government regulations, etc.   

I also think little things like claiming a site in Google's Webmaster tools should account for some small level of credibility (or lack thereof) for an adult site.  I assume the spam sites won't claim their sites for various reasons.  Maybe this is an incorrect assumption but I don't think so.  Spammers want to stay under the radar not proclaim the spam as their own.

We try to run a quality site at ADT.  In the roughly 7 years we've been online we've turned away hundreds of potential advertisers that didn't meet our quality guidelines.  That's not something that you can program into a search engine algorithm but we do have a unique perspective on which adult DVD retail websites operate in an honest and ethical fashion based on our own business dealings with them and feedback from the shoppers that use our services.  

Here's three recommendations for quality businesses in the adult DVD retail sector: adultdvdempire.com, xrentdvd.com and bushdvd.com.  These three companies are class acts and constantly improve their sites to the benefit of their customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A suggestion for a new data point in determining a &#8220;quality&#8221; adult site:</p>
<p>Has the site labeled itself through ICRA or some other industry-standard metadata/server-side content labeling system?  I&#8217;ve been involved in the retail products end of the adult internet since early 1998.  As a general rule the more responsible businesses do everything they can to keep minors away from their sites.  Properly labeling a site so that content filters can do their jobs is the responsible thing to do. </p>
<p>If Googlebot is indexing a site with a high percentage of phrases like &#8220;cum gargling crumbastaphiles&#8221;, &#8220;double anal whores&#8221;, &#8220;A cum sucking whore named&#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;Join Now&#8221;, &#8220;Click to buy&#8221;, etc., and the site isn&#8217;t content-labeled then that is something that I think could (should?) be taken into consideration for search ranking.</p>
<p>These kinds of suggestions eventually lead into &#8220;slippery-slope&#8221; discussions of mandatory labels and government regulations, etc.   </p>
<p>I also think little things like claiming a site in Google&#8217;s Webmaster tools should account for some small level of credibility (or lack thereof) for an adult site.  I assume the spam sites won&#8217;t claim their sites for various reasons.  Maybe this is an incorrect assumption but I don&#8217;t think so.  Spammers want to stay under the radar not proclaim the spam as their own.</p>
<p>We try to run a quality site at ADT.  In the roughly 7 years we&#8217;ve been online we&#8217;ve turned away hundreds of potential advertisers that didn&#8217;t meet our quality guidelines.  That&#8217;s not something that you can program into a search engine algorithm but we do have a unique perspective on which adult DVD retail websites operate in an honest and ethical fashion based on our own business dealings with them and feedback from the shoppers that use our services.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s three recommendations for quality businesses in the adult DVD retail sector: adultdvdempire.com, xrentdvd.com and bushdvd.com.  These three companies are class acts and constantly improve their sites to the benefit of their customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph - Adult DVD Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph - Adult DVD Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, TC, for including us on your short list. I think the easiest way for Google to get rid of the junk results is to allow users to say "don't show me this site/domain ever again" on any search result. Then humans would be doing the filtering and I wouldn't need to wade thru the junk to find the quality sites. I find this is a problem in whatever type of search (travel as much as porn.)

Allowing users to tag sites with keywords (like the many blog search engines) would also diminish the power of seo companies spam tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, TC, for including us on your short list. I think the easiest way for Google to get rid of the junk results is to allow users to say &#8220;don&#8217;t show me this site/domain ever again&#8221; on any search result. Then humans would be doing the filtering and I wouldn&#8217;t need to wade thru the junk to find the quality sites. I find this is a problem in whatever type of search (travel as much as porn.)</p>
<p>Allowing users to tag sites with keywords (like the many blog search engines) would also diminish the power of seo companies spam tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: SlutBoy.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlutBoy.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Google Me This!...&lt;/strong&gt;

One of my favorite porn producers, Tony Comstock, has some interesting ideas about the intersection of Google and sex:The sex industry is, if not actually dominated by, at least characterized by businesses which make their margin by *not* giving people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Google Me This!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>One of my favorite porn producers, Tony Comstock, has some interesting ideas about the intersection of Google and sex:The sex industry is, if not actually dominated by, at least characterized by businesses which make their margin by *not* giving people&#8230;</p>
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