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	<description>Real Talk About Making Real Sex Erotic Documentaries</description>
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		<title>By: Taking the real sex out of real sex searches (is the googlebot erotophobic?) &#124; The Art &#38; Business of Making Erotic Films</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-92531</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking the real sex out of real sex searches (is the googlebot erotophobic?) &#124; The Art &#38; Business of Making Erotic Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more and more computerized everyday, where the flick of a digital switch &#8212; at Google, or anywhere else &#8212; can make you disappear, I&#8217;m still thinking about those searchers that Google is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more and more computerized everyday, where the flick of a digital switch &#8212; at Google, or anywhere else &#8212; can make you disappear, I&#8217;m still thinking about those searchers that Google is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Re-Boing, Re-Boing &#124; Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-92143</link>
		<dc:creator>Re-Boing, Re-Boing &#124; Real Talk About Making Real Sex Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] were wonderful news tid bits, then they weren&#8217;t, now they are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] were wonderful news tid bits, then they weren&#8217;t, now they are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-87062</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, have you got any source for your belief that the unpublishings happened a long time ago &lt;b&gt;except&lt;/b&gt; for Xeni's statement, as repeated in the LA Times and elsewhere?  I haven't been following this all too closely, but I've wondered if anybody had confirmed the timeline after Xeni asserted it.  

Not trying to stir shit here, I don't have any specific reason to doubt Xeni's timing assertions, she's just not very high on my list of trusted sources right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, have you got any source for your belief that the unpublishings happened a long time ago <b>except</b> for Xeni&#8217;s statement, as repeated in the LA Times and elsewhere?  I haven&#8217;t been following this all too closely, but I&#8217;ve wondered if anybody had confirmed the timeline after Xeni asserted it.  </p>
<p>Not trying to stir shit here, I don&#8217;t have any specific reason to doubt Xeni&#8217;s timing assertions, she&#8217;s just not very high on my list of trusted sources right now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Googlebot says Comstock Films isn&#8217;t real sex (but then what does the Googlebot really know about sex?) &#124; The Art &#38; Business of Making Erotic Films</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Googlebot says Comstock Films isn&#8217;t real sex (but then what does the Googlebot really know about sex?) &#124; The Art &#38; Business of Making Erotic Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what I was talking about when I said I saw some trends I didn&#8217;t understand is that about two years ago we started getting Google visitors on the search [real sex] and that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what I was talking about when I said I saw some trends I didn&#8217;t understand is that about two years ago we started getting Google visitors on the search [real sex] and that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Match</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-86869</link>
		<dc:creator>Match</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is dead on and your above comment "is that the internet is a big world, but it’s not the whole world, not nearly." is even more so. I cannot comment directly on the Boing Boing thing as I am just now getting read into the story - I've been following links all morning that lead me here from other posts on this topic. 

The broader point you mention here is probably more relevant to all of us than the single topic of Boing Boing removing articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is dead on and your above comment &#8220;is that the internet is a big world, but it’s not the whole world, not nearly.&#8221; is even more so. I cannot comment directly on the Boing Boing thing as I am just now getting read into the story - I&#8217;ve been following links all morning that lead me here from other posts on this topic. </p>
<p>The broader point you mention here is probably more relevant to all of us than the single topic of Boing Boing removing articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-86724</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Yes, "explanation for shifts that have puzzled me for a while. We are a small player, so inbounds like The Dish or BB (seem to) have an effect on ranking out of scale with the size of the mention" - you may be seeing "trust",  which is very different from Pagerank. But when did you see the shift? It also could just be Google algorithm changes.

It is indeed a very good idea not to depend much on Google or BoingBoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Yes, &#8220;explanation for shifts that have puzzled me for a while. We are a small player, so inbounds like The Dish or BB (seem to) have an effect on ranking out of scale with the size of the mention&#8221; - you may be seeing &#8220;trust&#8221;,  which is very different from Pagerank. But when did you see the shift? It also could just be Google algorithm changes.</p>
<p>It is indeed a very good idea not to depend much on Google or BoingBoing.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Eileene, and welcome!

Here's a thought. As I mentioned at the bottom of the post, the biggest lesson we learned from our Google mishap was that we couldn't be so dependent on Google to make sure people could find us and buy our films. One of the biggest things we did to change that was to go to a trade show last year (no, not AVN.)

Top to bottom it cost us about $10K to go to the show, and I'm not to proud to say there was more than a little fingernail nibbling about spending that much money. But once we got there it was clear we made the right decision.

In three days we put ourselves in front of about 2,000 buyer and there was a lot of interest in our films. We came home with nearly enough orders to cover the cost of the show, and since then we've more than turned a nice profit on the initial investment.

The lesson for me -- a fellow who's exploited the digital era, from digital post, to digital acquisition, to digital marketing and PR -- is that the internet is a big world, but it's not the whole world, not nearly.

Boing Boing  and Google might be a big fish, they're still a big fish in a small pond; and it's a pond that small enough that personality or mere technical mistakes make outsized ripples. For us, long term survival means being ready for those ripples, but more importantly, being willing to sail in other waters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Eileene, and welcome!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought. As I mentioned at the bottom of the post, the biggest lesson we learned from our Google mishap was that we couldn&#8217;t be so dependent on Google to make sure people could find us and buy our films. One of the biggest things we did to change that was to go to a trade show last year (no, not AVN.)</p>
<p>Top to bottom it cost us about $10K to go to the show, and I&#8217;m not to proud to say there was more than a little fingernail nibbling about spending that much money. But once we got there it was clear we made the right decision.</p>
<p>In three days we put ourselves in front of about 2,000 buyer and there was a lot of interest in our films. We came home with nearly enough orders to cover the cost of the show, and since then we&#8217;ve more than turned a nice profit on the initial investment.</p>
<p>The lesson for me &#8212; a fellow who&#8217;s exploited the digital era, from digital post, to digital acquisition, to digital marketing and PR &#8212; is that the internet is a big world, but it&#8217;s not the whole world, not nearly.</p>
<p>Boing Boing  and Google might be a big fish, they&#8217;re still a big fish in a small pond; and it&#8217;s a pond that small enough that personality or mere technical mistakes make outsized ripples. For us, long term survival means being ready for those ripples, but more importantly, being willing to sail in other waters.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am hugely disappointed in BoingBoing, although I recognize they are within their own right to do what they want with their own content.  Looking back at that article, it's frustrating to have such a poignant piece "unpublished" for a small part of it.  It makes BB a less interesting place to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am hugely disappointed in BoingBoing, although I recognize they are within their own right to do what they want with their own content.  Looking back at that article, it&#8217;s frustrating to have such a poignant piece &#8220;unpublished&#8221; for a small part of it.  It makes BB a less interesting place to be.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, hello and welcome back!

I didn't say I saw sudden shift in the days since the story broke. In light of this BB revelation I think I see an explanation for shifts that have puzzled me for a while. We are a small player, so inbounds like The Dish or BB (seem to) have an effect on ranking out of scale with the size of the mention. But with the Googlebot, who can know for sure. LIke I said, nothing earth-shattering, but the time line roughly fits, and it's certainly not helpful.

More annoying that the loss of the link is the loss of the time and energy that went into cultivating the contact. This is the meat and potatoes of PR work, and it takes place within the context of certain understandings about relationship between journalist and sources, and the (sometimes) subtle difference between actually newsworthy information and hype. Granted Xeni/BB operate on a new frontier of these boundaries, but this episode casts Xeni/BB in a new light, at least for me. We'll take our tid bits somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, hello and welcome back!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I saw sudden shift in the days since the story broke. In light of this BB revelation I think I see an explanation for shifts that have puzzled me for a while. We are a small player, so inbounds like The Dish or BB (seem to) have an effect on ranking out of scale with the size of the mention. But with the Googlebot, who can know for sure. LIke I said, nothing earth-shattering, but the time line roughly fits, and it&#8217;s certainly not helpful.</p>
<p>More annoying that the loss of the link is the loss of the time and energy that went into cultivating the contact. This is the meat and potatoes of PR work, and it takes place within the context of certain understandings about relationship between journalist and sources, and the (sometimes) subtle difference between actually newsworthy information and hype. Granted Xeni/BB operate on a new frontier of these boundaries, but this episode casts Xeni/BB in a new light, at least for me. We&#8217;ll take our tid bits somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.comstockfilms.com/blog/tony/2008/07/03/unboing-unboing/comment-page-1/#comment-86712</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This morning finds me checking out some stats using Google’s webmasters tools, and I’ve noticed some unexpected shifts in rankings."

SEO superstition strikes! The Boing Boing posts were "unpublished" many months ago, not recently. So it's highly unlikely the effect on your rankings would have just shown up this week.

Though I'll grant the "unpublishing" certainly doesn't help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This morning finds me checking out some stats using Google’s webmasters tools, and I’ve noticed some unexpected shifts in rankings.&#8221;</p>
<p>SEO superstition strikes! The Boing Boing posts were &#8220;unpublished&#8221; many months ago, not recently. So it&#8217;s highly unlikely the effect on your rankings would have just shown up this week.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;ll grant the &#8220;unpublishing&#8221; certainly doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
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