
A couple of days ago an update from Jiz Lee popped up on my twitter stream, “Doing favors for HBO” I flashed back on my and Peggy’s not altogether positive experience with the HBO back in the Fall of 2005 and shot back “Remember, they won’t do any favors for you.”
A day later I was on Jiz Lee’s blog reading 15 minutes of Lame? an account of HBO’s visit to Madison Young’s set via text-messages with Lee’s partner Syd Blakovich, and featuring an open letter from Young:
In being a sex positive feminist pornographer I strive to create a positive environment for my crew and talent. I feel like much of that environment and communication was compromised between me and my crew by having a mainstream network in our space and commanding and overriding decisions that should have been left up to me and my crew if they were interested in documenting our sex positive productions and practices. But instead we were all stripped of our power, left feeling exploited, and disempowered by a mainstream entity.
I wish I could say I was surprised, but I’m not. If you want to know why I’m not surprised, come back with me to October of 2005. But before we go time-traveling, I want to make sure I’m not misunderstood, I’m not saying that Madison Young and company should have known better. If you haven’t worked with TV people there’s no way in the world you can begin to imagine how slick and ruthless they are.
As a friend of mine put it, “When you go in for the interview for a TV producer’s job, they ask you, “What if, in order to get the story, you had to do something that you knew would ruin a man’s life, destroy his career, cause him to lose his wife and children?” And if you hesitate for even an instant, if you flinch, or twitch, the interview is over, you don’t get the job.”
If that sounds like an exaggeration, maybe it is. But not by much. Now on with story time.
Back October of 2005 we had just two films out, MARIE AND JACK: A HARDCORE LOVE STORY and XANA AND DAX: WHEN OPPOSITES ATTRACT. We were also sitting on top of the raw footage for seven more of our erotic documentaries, all shot on film, and representing a a huge investment of time, money, and social capital. Comstock Films was not yet self-sustaining, but it was trending in the right direction. We were living on a combination of savings and what comissioned work we were able to take while working full-time to finish DAMON AND HUNTER. Peggy was eight months pregnant with our second child.
HBO first got in touch via e-mail. Polite, interested; they had seen the Time Out New York cover article, and they were looking at doing an East Coast edition of their Real Sex spin-off Pornucopia. Would we come in and talk?
Now to that point I had never seen Pornucopia, but I’ve always hated HBO’s Real Sex. In fact my hatred of HBO idea of making a “sex documentary” was a lot of the early inspiration for Comstock Films. Add to that the fact that I am, at best, ambivalent about calling the films we make “pornography” and I was more than a little conflicted about this “opportunity.”
Still, it’s HfrickenBO. We had survived Stacy Grenrock-Woods’ snark in Esquire magazine, and the exposure had a noticeable and positive effect on our income. Peggy and I started to weigh up the benefits of all that “great exposure” we might get on HBO vs the possibility that they would contextualize what we do in a way would be completely at odds with the reason we make the films we make.
To that end I got in touch with Shar Rednour and Jackie Strano of SIR Productions, and Jessica Holter of the Punany Poets Society. Both had appeared in HBO Real Sex segments. Both said the exposure had been good for their companies. Jessica cautioned that, “HBO was really pushy. They wanted my cast to do stuff we didn’t want to do. Make sure you know what you want, and don’t be afraid to say no.”
So okay, forwarned is forearmed.
HBO wanted some background information, so I wrote up a narrative of my and Peggy’s life together as husband and wife erotic filmmakers. I sent over DVDs of MARIE AND JACK and XANA AND DAX. According to Google maps, it’s 116 miles from our house to the HBO offices. We made arrangements for childcare for our older daughter, and we made plans to drive into the city and hear what they had to say.
Suffice to say my anxiety was running high. I know what my sell out price is, it’s $10M. For $10M I will suck a donkey dick at halftime of the Superbowl and I will like it. Then I will take my $10M dollars, get myself a boat that’s big enough to have a tomato garden in pots and me and my family will never be heard from again. I was pretty sure that whatever benefit we might get from “exposure” on HBO, it wasn’t going to add up to $10M. I was also pretty sure they weren’t going to want me to suck a donkey dick on national television. I was worried that what they might want might be worse.
In hindsight, the first red flag came up when we asked them if we could get copies of previous episodes of Pornucopia. “No, that’s not possible.” Hmmm. But as luck would have it, the very episode of Pornucopia that Shar and Jackie were in was on the night before we were supposed to meet with HBO. So at about 11PM the night before, me, Peggy, and her belly settled in to see what this Pornucopia thing is all about.
Shar and Jackie came off fine. They were presented as the alternative to the Chatsworth porn scene; sort of a “meanwhile, 400 miles north” thing. They were interviewed in front of a painted backdrop, because nothing says “serious documentary” like a painted backdrop, with cut-away provided by footage from their own films.
Chi Chi LaRue came off like a big campy queen. Was that what he wanted? I don’t know. But it was the gay-for-pay segment that I was really glad we had a chance to see before we met with HBO.
The gay-for-pay segment was about straight men appearing in gay porn films. They interviewed a cute “all-american” couple where they talked about how it was no big deal, just a job. It was a lot like our interview with Marie and Jack, until they got to the cut-away footage.
There was Ms. Cute, on the set while Mr. Cute was sucking dick and getting fucked in the ass. Shot of Mr. Cute sucking cock (can’t actually show that, of course, because it’s not porn, it’s an HBO documentary,) cut to shot of Ms. Cute looking bored. Shot of Mr. Cute getting fucked, cut to shot of Ms. Cute looking at her watch, they looking away.
But then killer, the shot that I’ll never forget. Mr. Cute has finished his scene. He leaves the set and goes over to Ms. Cute. He moves right up next to her, everything about his body language says this is a “check-in” moment. He goes to kiss her, but right at the last instant she turns away from him, eyes down cast.
That’s the signature HBO touch. There’s always a lesson at the end of every episode of Real Sex. These people might think they’re having fun, these people might think they’re happy, but they’re not. They’re kidding themselves. They’re fools. They are sad, pathetic fools.
Right there at that instant I knew that Peggy, and me, and Comstock Films and the people in our films were not going to be on HBO. The pressure’s off. We’ll drive in and take this meeting as a drill, like going to a job interview for position you don’t want at a company you don’t want to work for.
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When we get there everything is very nice. The producer’s assistant comes down and meets us in the parking garage. She starts gushing about how much she liked MARIE AND JACK and XANA AND DAX, “They’re so different. They’re not like porn, they’re like real movies!”
We go upstairs where we meet the producer. I’ve google-stalked her and know she’s got a trust fund supporting her ambitions to work in “the media”, not uncommon in New York. She’s typy, fit the mold a media shark, which sets my guard up, but Peggy and I already know where we stand. She leads us into the director’s office. I’ve google-stalked him too, so I know he used to be a network news magazine producer/director, but never quite made it to Nightline or 60 minutes. He likes our work too, or at least he says he does. I tell him thanks, but we’re really excited about the upcoming, shot-on-film productions. I make a point of telling him how my wife shot a film camera for the first time on DAMON AND HUNTER because I know being this cavalier about burning film stock will set a certain tone. (Thanks Bob!)
Just as we’re settling in to our chairs, the producer whips out a PD150, “Can I just get some footage of you guys? To show the brass?” The phrasing is of a question the person asking thinks she already knows the answer to, but she’s wrong.
“Um, gee, I wish you had asked us about this earlier so we would have time to talk it over.”
“Oh it’s not going to be used for anything.” Yeah, sure, right. You’ve got another Mr. and Ms. Cute couple, she’s 8 months prego, and they make porn. Cut to close up of Peggy’s bulging belly.
“Maybe if you had let us know you were going to need some footage to show the brass, we could have talked it over. But since we have to make up our minds right here on the spot, I’m afraid the answer is no.”
“It’s going to be really hard to sell them on your segment without footage.”
“I’d like to think that our films speak for themselves. But if they don’t, I guess it’s up to you to figure out how to get your bosses to buy in.”
Of course at that point the meeting is over. We’re not three minutes in and it’s over, and a little awkward. So I start camera-wanking with the director.
“Well we’re pretty low-budget so we shoot a pair of Super16 modified ACLs, record the audio wild on a video camera on a master shot, then match-back visually for audio sync,” this is actually a pretty clever hack for shooting sync sound, he’s leaning forward.
“Then we telecine frame-for-frame at 30fps and then bring it back to 24fps in cinetools to match the 24p video we shoot for in the interviews. It saves 25% on telecine and there’s no interlace.” This is a very very clever hack and a little over his head.
“But don’t you have to add pull down when you go back out to tape?”
“No, we never go back out to tape. DVDs support 24P playback. Pulldown is added at the settop level. Fewer frames, no interlace, higher data per frame rate, better compression quality.”
From there conversation shifts to the student/teacher ratio at our older daughter’s school, and life on the East End.
“It’s like having your kid in a private academy.”
“Yeah, pretty much, but with more socioeconomic diversity.”
I’m half fronting, and enjoying the look of bewilderment on his face, but it’s half real too. Maybe he’s getting the best foot forward version of our life, but nothing I’m telling him is a lie. Another five minutes and that’s enough for excusing ourselves not to be awkward. We never heard from HBO again.
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HBO wasn’t our last opportunity for “great publicity” and it wasn’t the last time we said “no thanks” either. The CBC has their own version of Real Sex, (I forget what it’s called) and they wanted me to put together a whole shoot, at my own expense, so they could came videotape my “process”.
“I’d be delighted to be interviewed for your show, and I can make footage from our films available at your standard rates for stock footage. But you won’t be able to videotape us filming a couple. I run a closed set. You’re presence would be disruptive.”
“It wouldn’t have to a real shoot. Just something to get some footage of you doing what you do; looking through the camera, calling shots.”
“That’s not how I work. If you’d like to give me $25,000 to co-produce a segment for your show, we can talk. But I can’t produce a fake segment at my own expense for your benefit.”
And that was the last time we heard from the CBC
After our films appeared in a very nice Women’s Health article by Jamye Waxman, another WH writer wanted me to by their “expert” for a sex-choreography article they wanted to run that was to be called “Slick Transitions”. It was supposed to be advice for couples on how to move smoothly from one sex position to another; and somehow the idea was that because the editing in my films is smooth, I could be an expert on how to go from woman-on-top to mish without popping out.
Absurd. But in the name of “good publicity” I gave it a go.
I wrote clear, lucid, affirming advice on the importance of NOT WORRYING ABOUT STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS WHEN YOU’RE MAKING LOVE, and then gave examples from our films of how couples move from position to position, sometimes staying coupled, but also enjoying the opportunity to become “re-coupled” if a position change required. Woman’s Health was especially hung up on some sort of shower choreography. I told them I’ve never witnessed anyone in making love in the shower and that my advice based on my own experience was “Be careful! And don’t use the water knobs and handles. They won’t take it!”
The writer loved what I gave her, but when the copy came back from the editors, all my variously lovely advice about not getting hung up on it was gone, all my references to couples in our films actually managing a “slick transition” was going, replace by some sort of Arthur-Murry-meets-Sex-in-the-City bedroom dancestep advice. The shower advice was “Press your bodies together, now step forward until you’re both under the spray.” Peggy and I worked it for 15 minutes and could not figure out what the fuck they were talking about. Best we could come up with was standing doggy, but goddamn that’s a big shower if one of you isn’t under the shower spray already in standing doggy, let alone having room to move anywhere.
I wrote back to the writer, “I can’t have my name on this. It’s not what I wrote, and I’d never give anyone advice like this.” A couple days later I got e-mail from the editor, subject “Case Closed”
Hi Tony,
As the editor on the Slick Transitions piece authored by Liza Monroy, I wanted to deliver the news that we’ve opted to run with an alternate source for the Slick Transitions piece. With this and all stories, we confirm the accuracy of information with more than one source per article. I’ve been told that you expressed several concerns with various attributions and tips - and thus, given your reservations and our timeline, we’ve chosen to use another expert for the piece.
Best,
Kristina
Yes, more than one source, cause that’s what you were taught to do in J-school. Back then you thought you were going to be working at the New York Times, but instead you’re running phony bedroom choreography advice were you don’t even take the advice of your (so-called) expert. My response:
Hello Kristina,
I’m not sure what happened between the discussions and e-mails I had with Liza and the final copy, but there must have been some crossed wires. A couple of the “tips” were exactly the opposite of my suggestions, while others addressed ideas that Liza and I never discussed. Whatever the case, I’m relieved you were able to find a secondary source, especially on such short notice! Now let just hope nobody slips in the shower and sues!
Sorry for the mix up!
Yours,
TC
I don’t know if the article ever ran. I don’t know who their “other expert” was. I do know we never heard from Women’s Health again.
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Did I make the right decisions in these and other instances? I don’t know. In 2005, when we said “no” to HBO, we were in a tough spot, barely scraping by. By 2007 when we said “no” to Women’s Health, things were going pretty well. Now we’re somewhere in between. “Good exposure” is an important part of how we let people know what we do. No easy answers in life.
But I do know this. I think the films Peggy and I have been able to make are special. And I think that the people who open their lives up so we can make our films are special too. And as the Chief Cook & Bottle Washer here at Comstock Films, part of my job is to be a steward of that specialness; to push it out into the world, of course, but also to guard it and keep it safe. To not let it be debased or exploited.
I also know that if you do work in the public eye, this sort of thing will come up over and over again, and figuring out what to do is never easy.
Near the end of last year sex writer and educator Violet Blue called out my penis/clitoris Google Safe Search discovery in her San Francisco Chronicle column as one of the Top Five Under-reported Sex Stories of the Year, but the Chronicle wouldn’t link to my post, only to Susie Brights post about my post. But then a few weeks later Violet called me out in her Twittersexuality Chronicle column as a “porn personality”, complete with a link to my Twitter account.
I didn’t tell Violet I wasn’t so thrilled with the Twitter thing, but I did let her know that I was more than a little upset about the failure of the Chronicle to link to my Google SafeSearch post, and that fighting back might make for a useful PR opportunity for me and Peggy, and I sent her an advance copy of the letter I had loaded up and was ready to fire off to the Chronicle’s publisher. At Violet’s request, and in deference to her long record of supporting our work, I didn’t send the letter. But I’m still not sure I did the right thing.
I do know that I haven’t heard from Violet since she asked me not to send the letter. Not even an acknowledgement of my e-mail telling her I would not send the letter. Is she angry? Hurt? Scared? Or just not interested in what we’re doing anymore? It’s hard to know.
I’m sorry for the people on Madison Young’s set who felt powerless and exploited. I don’t mean I feel pity, I mean I feel bad. Reading Jiz Lee’s post I get a lump in my throat and an ache in my chest. But a lot can happen in the editing room, and editors are a different breed of cat from producers. The best thing for now is to hope that the footage finds its way to someone who has a soul.